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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m a Proud Apple fan boy today: Apple donates $100K to No On Prop 8</title>
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		<title>By: Endless Men</title>
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		<dc:creator>Endless Men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok i know im a little late for this, but this is awesome, GO APLLE !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok i know im a little late for this, but this is awesome, GO APLLE !</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bing, you&#039;re a homophobic jerk.  It&#039;s that simple.

Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bing, you&#8217;re a homophobic jerk.  It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanna go buy a mac now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanna go buy a mac now!</p>
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		<title>By: Avonelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avonelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so glad Apple is stepping up to the plate! My $25.00 contribution (though big for me) won&#039;t do much to help stop bigots that pour thousands and thousands of dollars into &#039;their&#039; argument. They are free to do that, but so is Apple, and so are we!

I am a BIG fan of voting with my pocket book as well, and Apple has my vote!

Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad Apple is stepping up to the plate! My $25.00 contribution (though big for me) won&#8217;t do much to help stop bigots that pour thousands and thousands of dollars into &#8216;their&#8217; argument. They are free to do that, but so is Apple, and so are we!</p>
<p>I am a BIG fan of voting with my pocket book as well, and Apple has my vote!</p>
<p>Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Bing</title>
		<link>http://www.inlookout.com/2008/10/24/im-a-proud-apple-fan-boy-today-apple-donates-100k-to-no-on-prop-8/comment-page-1/#comment-504</link>
		<dc:creator>Bing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrin said &quot;The proposal can effect Apple’s ability to offer it’s non-traditional employees benefits.&quot;

The fact of the matter is the outcome of the vote has absolutely nothing to do with the benefits Apple offers ANY of its employees. The benefits Apple offers will be no different whether the ballot measure passes or fails. Apple already recognizes domestic partners and offers them the EXACT SAME benefits as they offer legally married, heterosexual couples.

And regardless of what anyone says or how they feel, the mere fact that &quot;the people&quot; are &quot;voting&quot; on the issue MAKES it &quot;political&quot; because it&#039;s part of a &quot;political process&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrin said &#8220;The proposal can effect Apple’s ability to offer it’s non-traditional employees benefits.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact of the matter is the outcome of the vote has absolutely nothing to do with the benefits Apple offers ANY of its employees. The benefits Apple offers will be no different whether the ballot measure passes or fails. Apple already recognizes domestic partners and offers them the EXACT SAME benefits as they offer legally married, heterosexual couples.</p>
<p>And regardless of what anyone says or how they feel, the mere fact that &#8220;the people&#8221; are &#8220;voting&#8221; on the issue MAKES it &#8220;political&#8221; because it&#8217;s part of a &#8220;political process&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: TS</title>
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		<dc:creator>TS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really disagree with the action Apple has taken, and the side they&#039;ve decided to support is immaterial. This proposition is part of the state&#039;s democratic process through which its society defines itself. Society is individuals. California&#039;s individuals need to be rallying/working to gain support for whichever view they hold. If Steve Jobs, as a Californian, gave $100K of his own funds to this, more power to him. But it is out of place for a corporation to try to effect societal change among the state&#039;s individuals. Even more so, in that it is made of customers, employees and shareholders from around the globe -- any number of which may take the opposite view than the one Apple HQ is supporting. Also, it is, through using funds earned from customers worldwide, letting non-Californians have a role in California&#039;s politics. The role corporations play in American politics through lobbying/giving cash is one of the major flaws in our democracy. It may be legal but it&#039;s not right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really disagree with the action Apple has taken, and the side they&#8217;ve decided to support is immaterial. This proposition is part of the state&#8217;s democratic process through which its society defines itself. Society is individuals. California&#8217;s individuals need to be rallying/working to gain support for whichever view they hold. If Steve Jobs, as a Californian, gave $100K of his own funds to this, more power to him. But it is out of place for a corporation to try to effect societal change among the state&#8217;s individuals. Even more so, in that it is made of customers, employees and shareholders from around the globe &#8212; any number of which may take the opposite view than the one Apple HQ is supporting. Also, it is, through using funds earned from customers worldwide, letting non-Californians have a role in California&#8217;s politics. The role corporations play in American politics through lobbying/giving cash is one of the major flaws in our democracy. It may be legal but it&#8217;s not right.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well apple has done the green thing and I guess now you could say they are going brown. Brown as in fudge packin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well apple has done the green thing and I guess now you could say they are going brown. Brown as in fudge packin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: What's the frequency, Kenneth?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What's the frequency, Kenneth?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage licenses were initially created to stop blacks and whites from marrying in the deep south.  Initiating more force is not the way to solve the problem of government initiating force.  The government should not be &quot;licensing&quot; marriage in the first place.  It&#039;s a private issue, and the government should stay out of it altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage licenses were initially created to stop blacks and whites from marrying in the deep south.  Initiating more force is not the way to solve the problem of government initiating force.  The government should not be &#8220;licensing&#8221; marriage in the first place.  It&#8217;s a private issue, and the government should stay out of it altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole &quot;partner benefits&quot; issue came up when I worked in Apple&#039;s field sales organization. Some customers were not happy - &quot;We can&#039;t do business with a company that endorses homosexuality.&quot; Apple&#039;s line to us at that time was that Apple, as a public business entity, supported doing what would maximize the productivity of it&#039;s employees. This, in turn, would improve the operations of its business and the return for its investors. Customers should understand that.

I think it&#039;s the same thing here - if California were to ban gay marriage, Apple is concerned that some valuable employees could be lost, since they could chose to move to a more supportive area. Employees are most productive if they&#039;re not having to worry about those basic rights and benefits that married, heterosexual couples have enjoyed for centuries. That, in turn, allows those employees to have the most positive impact on the bottom line.

If we&#039;re going to debate, let&#039;s please keep it civil!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole &#8220;partner benefits&#8221; issue came up when I worked in Apple&#8217;s field sales organization. Some customers were not happy &#8211; &#8220;We can&#8217;t do business with a company that endorses homosexuality.&#8221; Apple&#8217;s line to us at that time was that Apple, as a public business entity, supported doing what would maximize the productivity of it&#8217;s employees. This, in turn, would improve the operations of its business and the return for its investors. Customers should understand that.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the same thing here &#8211; if California were to ban gay marriage, Apple is concerned that some valuable employees could be lost, since they could chose to move to a more supportive area. Employees are most productive if they&#8217;re not having to worry about those basic rights and benefits that married, heterosexual couples have enjoyed for centuries. That, in turn, allows those employees to have the most positive impact on the bottom line.</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to debate, let&#8217;s please keep it civil!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a shareholder, Apple zealot and a Canadian. I am proud of Apple for supporting this civil rights case, even in a country of which I am not a citizen. In ten years this won&#039;t even be an issue. In most of the world, at least the non-fundamentalist world, this is not an issue. Why is it so in the USA? This is not a religious issue, it is a human issue. Just as those in power once preached that blacks were sub-human, and women had a specific &quot;supportive roles&quot; they will soon give up on the gay marriage issue as they did the others. Fundamentalists, no matter of which religion, should focus on improving the state of the world rather than preaching divisiveness. Of course their power lies in spreading fear and mistrust. The sooner the citizens of the USA figure this out the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a shareholder, Apple zealot and a Canadian. I am proud of Apple for supporting this civil rights case, even in a country of which I am not a citizen. In ten years this won&#8217;t even be an issue. In most of the world, at least the non-fundamentalist world, this is not an issue. Why is it so in the USA? This is not a religious issue, it is a human issue. Just as those in power once preached that blacks were sub-human, and women had a specific &#8220;supportive roles&#8221; they will soon give up on the gay marriage issue as they did the others. Fundamentalists, no matter of which religion, should focus on improving the state of the world rather than preaching divisiveness. Of course their power lies in spreading fear and mistrust. The sooner the citizens of the USA figure this out the better.</p>
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