California Commission to investigate Mormon involvement in Prop 8

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California’s Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC) announced today that they would investigate allegations that the LDS Church did not fully disclose non-monetary contributions to the Prop 8 Campaign.

Fred Karger of Californians Against Hate called for the investigation last week, writing a letter to the FPPC detailing many of the allegations, including:

  • Church organized phone banks from Utah and Idaho
  • Sending direct mail to voters
  • Transported people to California over several weekends
  • Used the LDS Press Office to send out multiple News Releases to promote their activities to nonmembers
  • Walked precincts
  • Ran a speakers bureau
  • Distributed thousands of lawn signs and other campaign material
  • Organized a “surge to election day”
  • Church leaders travel to California
  • Set up of very elaborate web sites
  • Produced at least 9 commercials and 4 other video broadcasts all in support of Prop 8
  • Conducted at least 2 satellite simulcasts over 5 Western states

These allegations are on top of the $22 million raised by Mormons in support of Prop 8, and according to Karger are in violation of the Political Reform Act.

While the LDS Church has not yet commented on the announcement, they have previously stated that they “fully complied with the reporting requirements of the California Political Reform Act” and that “any investigation would confirm the church’s full compliance with applicable law.”

Roman Porter, executive director of FPPC said today that an investigation doesn’t necessarily mean there was any wrongdoing, and asked everyone to “reserve judgement.”

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Post by ILO on 11/24/08 at 10:36 pm
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21 Responses to “California Commission to investigate Mormon involvement in Prop 8”

  1. iva Says:

    if it’s not one thing, it’s another. the ppl of CA have spoken! move on and write a story about all the HATE crimes these “peaceful, loving” gay activists are committing. for a group that wants others to be tolerant of their beliefs they do not care to give others the same respect. even more so why we cannot let a law like this pass. we will not be bullied into believing that THEIR WAY is THE RIGHT WAY.

  2. Chad Says:

    iva – 52% of folks in CA may have spoken on 11/4, but it was NOT w/o deceit and lies that were preached by both the Mormons and the Catholics. These religious groups used the pulpits to inflict fear and used children as their examples of a grim and dark future if Prop 8 passed.
    It’s Thanksgiving and there’s a lot to be thankful but should I be thankful that my civil rights were taken away? Hell, NO!
    So, I’m thankful that lawsuits were filed and will be reviewed in March and that CA officials are investigating the involvement of the LDS in Prop 8 and I pray that they find loads of dirty, filthy money.
    Gay activist are the result of radical Christianistas and it’s acceptance and not tolerance, my dear.
    Finally, unless you woke one day and find yourself classified as as a 2nd class citizen. You should keep your comments to yourself.
    Separation of Church and State!

  3. iva Says:

    chad-
    your civil rights were taken away? the ppl spoke and a judge thought he had the RIGHT to overturn it! so here we are again, once again the ppl have spoken. you are the minority and your lifestyle does not have to be widely accepted. christians have spoken up, they have taken a stand for what they believe. gays and lesbians have been given that same right and have taken full advantage of it as well. we live in a democracy and the votes are in! you don’t have to like it, but by the way a lot of your fellow gay protestors are acting, you are not winning favor in anyone’s eyes. the Mormon Church, being as established and connected as they are, i doubt they will be able to find anything. not to mention they probably have excellent legal counsel. Christians of all denominations listened to msgs given by their pastors, bishops, leaders etc, and voted according to what they BELIEVED. if the vote had gone the other way then what? my Bishop would have to perform a same-sex marriage ceremony if asked by a gay couple? violation of rights? talk about imposing your beliefs on me! maybe not you, but there are enough homosexuals who would want to make a statement be married in a christian church just to BECAUSE THEY COULD.

  4. Chad Says:

    iva, iva, i can smell the ignorance in your response. there was nothing, again, N-O-T-H-I-N-G in the supreme court’s decision that required the churches to marry lgbt couples if they do not want to. i strongly advise you do some research because it only shows how you and your church are SO misinformed.
    here’s the truth, RELIGION + $$$ is the ROOT of ALL that is EVIL in this world. i’ll offer you some examples, nazi germany, darfur, rwanda, and iraq to name a few. you want another one, try looking up miscegenation laws. up until 1967 interracial couples were banned from getting married and the religious folks felt that was right. you might even think that’s right also.
    my life, as you described, is not a lifestyle. shopping, dearie, is a lifestyle. and yes, we are the minority and there are laws that protect minority groups in this country. so, you are saying it’s right to strip minorities of their fundamental rights? what does that make you??

    i can tell that this argument is not going anywhere because you believe what you you believe and vice-versa. so here are the facts and see if you think that the christianistas are winning the war.

    2000 – Prop 22 won with 61.4%-38.6%
    2008 – Prop 8 won with 52.3%-47.7%

    and as you hand pick your choice of bible verses this holiday, try this one for size – “Do unto others as you want them to do unto you”.

  5. Mitch Says:

    I am not even sure how to respond to Iva’s religiously-tainted comments other than to say this person has NO idea what separation means. Proposition 8 should NOT have been a moral question; but, I am afraid that the Mormons/Catholics/right-wing Christian theocracy made it just that. I believe fighting for our right to be married was about government recognition of that union, not the Church. How can anyone really believe that a gay couple would want to be married in a hostile place by a hostile pastor/minister/priest? Oh, wouldn’t that be a glorious day? NOT!

  6. iva Says:

    do unto others??? you can sleep with whom you choose, I DON’T CARE. your “alternative” lifestyle is up to you, but the definition of marriage has and is the same- MAN AND WOMAN. what don’t you get about that? you want to REDEFINE what has always been, you tried, you failed. your sexual preference as a minority is NOT the same as race. most blacks voted yes, does that make them racist? a black MAN and a white WOMAN wanting to marry and have a FAMILY is not the same as you and your partner wanting to “seal the deal”, tax breaks, next of kin blah, blah blah!

  7. iva Says:

    people who are american, tax paying citizens voted on this issue, they were from all races, religious sects, homosexual, heterosexual….. why are you so surprised that any christian group would openly come out and speak up for the cause they believed in? it wasn’t only catholics or mormons, there were so many groups, (jews, other christian sects). according to beliefs that are contrary to yours IT IS a moral issue. one other thing, it’s a little strange to have you quoting from the BIBLE, it’s hypocrisy in itself. the God of the BIBLE doe NOT TOLERATE homosexuality. read up on that the next time you open a Bible up.

  8. Mitch Says:

    Iva – As my good friend Chad said, I smell ignorance! Just a quick question though–Is ignorance bliss??? I really wish you and other right wing Christian zealot nut jobs would STOP using the Bible as a weapon. If advocates of “traditional” marriage actually consult their Bibles carefully, however, they may come away from a close reading of the sacred text with something less than a feeling of comfort.

    1. Marriage shall not impede a man’s right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)

    2. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)

    3. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:1-9; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30)

    4. Since marriage is for life, neither this Constitution nor the constitution of any State, nor any state or federal law, shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)

    5. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother’s widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe, and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Gen. 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10)

    Those are just the few that are related to “marriage” Iva… Now, Iva, who is the hypocrite!?

  9. iva Says:

    first off, i am NOT the one that even brought the Bible into this discussion. second off, once again it’s so silly of you to even try to use passages from the Bible to prove your point when IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM are you ACCEPTED by the God of a book you are trying to quote. you’re reaching…. and you’ve still come up short. why am i ignorant? because i don’t choose to support same-sex marriage. of course you think i’m ignorant! not once have i said that i hate homosexuals. i have friends, in fact relatives who are gay, but as a Christian, this issue is black and white, there is no gray line. you don’t have to like it, but it is what i believe in. if the No vote had passed, i would have to live w/it just the same as you are being to asked to live w/it and deal w/it. it’s awful how so many who took a stand for what they believed in are now being persecuted for voting as they did or for helping the cause that supported. from the backlash of the gay community against christians, i would have to say many of them are the ones being ignorant and showing hate.

  10. Mitch Says:

    Iva- you are so full of hate it scares me… glad you live so far away. The Bible was certainly brought into the discussion indirectly by you Iva. Would you maintain the beliefs you have without it?
    Our backlash is against religious bigotry and hate… by the way, NOT all Christians voted YES to take away rights.

    P.S. God LOVES me for who I am…. always has, always will… God, help those who you claim to be your friends and family. With “friends” like yours, who needs enemies?!?

  11. iva Says:

    mitch:
    this is clearly going nowhere. actually your buddy chad decided to bring up the Bible not me. you can believe what you want, as i will believe what i choose. there is NO excuse for the backlash that has taken place. protests of “stop the hate” are different than “mormon scum”, harassing ppl who voted YES, vandalizing church buildings, etc…. NO EXCUSE. your right, some christians voted NO, that was their right, nobody can take away from that. all the finger pointing about why the Yes vote won is juvenile. you choose to complain about something you cannot change and for what? as i said before, i do not hate homosexuals, but accept the reality of your situation. CALIFORNIANS VOTED AND DID NOT WANT SAME SEX MARRIAGE… THE END.

  12. Mitch Says:

    Iva Honey… this is JUST the beginning of our fight for EQUAL rights under the law. Your comments don’t even address what either Chad or myself have said. Are you familiar with the meaning of the word “indirect”?

    Also, you don’t have valid points except that I would agree there is no excuse for harassment or violence… towards ANYONE…. but, in defense of the protesters, I have to say I understand and have the same frustration.

    We can and will fight for change… it is far from juvenile. Food for thought: a proposition to take away a woman’s right to vote is passed in Idaho… would it be juvenile to fight for your right to keep it?

    SO, THE END = JUST THE BEGINNING.

  13. iva Says:

    good luck w/your cause. as a christian i stand by my beliefs that the definition of marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN. as i watch the aftermath of prop 8 i know this is just the beginning for your fight, but ppl on the other side feel the same way. idaho?? articles are posted and ppl are free to leave their opinions, how is it that you know where i am??? THAT IS SCARY…….

  14. iva Says:

    hmm…. a little concerning. now do i have to worry about my information being posted and harassment to my family as others have had to deal with? nothing surprises me!

  15. Mitch Says:

    You concern is completely insane and so overly dramatic it is sad. I have no interest in where you live, and now that it seems that you have told everyone where you live, I still don’t give a rat’s A**! Thank God your hate is so far away.

    Again, you comments don’t address the issue. Did you think about having your voting rights rescinded? Would it be juvenile to fight to keep them?

  16. Joe Joyce Says:

    A few points to add here. Forgive me if they have already been covered.

    1. Either the government should issue “marriage” licenses to all couples equally or to none. Period. If you don’t like the term, move to have all issued licenses called “domestic union” license (or whatever term doesn’t offend you). Each church can honor (or not) these as it chooses (I’m sure some will and some won’t and that’s fine.). That’s the separation of church and state. An examplr along these lines is that the Catholic Church doesn’t “honor” legal divorces. (You have to get an annulment through the church for the Catholic Church to see your marriages as at an end.)

    2. Doesn’t the simple majority rule to pass a proposition (in California) seem wrong when dealing with civil rights? Here’s a Hypothetical: If 51% of the population of California were women and they decided to get a Prop “W” on the ballot defining a voter as a biological female, and all of the women voted for the measure (51% of the populace) then a man’s right to vote would be removed. Surely the ability for any % of the populace to be able to remove another groups rights is ridiculous. Either it is a right, or it is not.

    I realize you will argue that that marriage isn’t a right (even though the California constitution expanded that right to include gays, at least temporarily), but why shouldn’t any two people be able to form a legal partnership that protects their joint property, finances, health care decision making, etc.? If you don’t like the term “marriage”, fine, change it for all. We’re confusing the legal with the church. They may both use the same term, but neither requires/forces the other to honor their “marriage”.

    Just my 2 cents.

  17. iva Says:

    what is so insane? christians (not just mormons) that voted YES in california have been harassed (you just throw idaho out there, for no reason??? RIGHT!) does that help your cause? this whole thing is a joke (the commenting back and forth). as for my rights stripped as a woman to vote, by now you still don’t see that as a christian i don’t think of the two as in the same category. just as i said earlier that gay as a minority is NOT the same as race either. you don’t have to like my opinion by many ppl (ppl who voted YES) believe marriage to be a moral issue. like it or not, that is how some see it. i’ll end this for us now….. good luck w/your cause and i will be on the other side always believing in mine! you may respond or not, i don’t really care. this will be it for me. thanks for making the time pass!

  18. Joe Joyce Says:

    Protests should never become physical. They should always be peaceful. Those that don’t follow this make us all look bad regardless of “side” in this debate.

    The commenting back and forth is only a joke if those involved are not open minded to listen to the other side. That’s doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting different results. And Einstein said that was the “definition of insanity”.

    I was actually giving the hypothetical of a man’s rights being stripped, not a woman’s, but it’s the same argument. What if I had said Christians voting to remove voting rights of non-Christians? Or Non-Christians voting to remove Christians rights? Surely both are just as heinous.

    At one point a black/white couple could not marry. It was “immoral”. The courts changed this, legally. Church’s were not required to marry black/white couples as a result of this (but may do today).

    It’s fine that you believe as a Christian that marriage (in your Church) should be between a man and a woman. But LEGALLY, 2 people should be able to form a partnership that protects their assets, death benefits, tax benefits, heath decision making, etc.

    I appreciate that for you it’s a black and white issue. For may Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc it is not. The Bible is open to interpretation (I’m sure it was used as a reason against black/white marriages.)

    My favorite from the Bible is Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You. I’d allow others to marry whom they wanted so I could marry whom I wanted to.

    Put another way, your right extend up until the point they infringe upon mine. I don’t see same sex LEGAL marriage infringing on RELIGIOUS opposite sex marriages. Again, if the word marriage is the issue, change the religious or the legal word.

    Thanks for reading this.

  19. Mitch Says:

    If it is such a time-waster, PLEASE go do something else Iva. The stench of ignorance is really overwhelming now.

    Joe- thanks for weighing in…. I definitely agree with your comments. Interesting hypothetical actually.

  20. Madmax Says:

    Iva is terribly ignorant and dances around questions since she can’t answer and just screams about “I’M A CHRISTIAN I HAVE MY RIGHT TO THINK GAYS SHOULDN’T HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS ME”

    Ridiculous.

  21. Mitch Says:

    Thanks Madmax! I was apparently too deep in the ridiculousness of it all!

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